Mar 04, 2006, 06:40 PM // 18:40
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Finland, Varkaus
Guild: Exiled Templars [ExiT]
Profession: R/Mo
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Do all builds need a elite skill to be good?
Some build without elite skill can be very effective, imho.
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Mar 04, 2006, 06:44 PM // 18:44
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#2
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Krytan Explorer
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Some examples of such builds would be very helpful.
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Mar 04, 2006, 06:53 PM // 18:53
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#3
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Hawaii
Guild: ----- 15^50[Rare] ---- Alliance: ----- [SMS] -----
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MM doesn't really need an elite...yet
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Mar 04, 2006, 06:58 PM // 18:58
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Grind is subjective
Guild: learn this please
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This is a worthwhile thread already.
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Mar 04, 2006, 07:05 PM // 19:05
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#5
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There is no spoon.
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Netherlands
Profession: Mo/
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MM builds don't always equip an Elite, but there aren't many builds without an Elite..
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Mar 04, 2006, 07:05 PM // 19:05
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Canberra, AU
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No, you don't need an elite to make a build effective. From what I gather though it seems to look like a build is based around an elite skill on the bar. I'm probably very incorrect in this assumption, but it seems to me that when making a build, people come up with an elite first and add 7 other skills that work with it and make it or the other skills used that much more effective.
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Mar 04, 2006, 07:22 PM // 19:22
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#7
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Profession: Mo/
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I've run some utility/enchanter monk builds that don't carry elites, but that was awhile ago and I don't remember them enough to post the skillbar. I can remember using some of these in GvG's with success though. Just don't tell anyone you don't have an elite or they will flip out regardless of how effective your build turns out.
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Mar 04, 2006, 11:06 PM // 23:06
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#8
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: my house
Guild: The Cutting Edge [TCE]
Profession: N/
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that build should just have energy drain in it rather than tap...
most builds dont need an elite, but an elite helps the build tremendously, and not bringing one would be stupid...
only MMs can get away with no elite skills...
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Mar 04, 2006, 11:19 PM // 23:19
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#9
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Topeka, Kansas
Guild: Tyrian Fo Lyfe [word]
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In most builds, you should be bringing an elite, because in most cases, it helps your efficiency out a lot. There are few builds that could not benefit from not bringing an elite.
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Mar 04, 2006, 11:26 PM // 23:26
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#10
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Banned
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Belgium
Guild: [ROSE]
Profession: A/
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shame, diversion, shatter ench, e burn, blackout, remove hex, shatter hex, ressurect..
good dmg/support, no elite
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Mar 04, 2006, 11:36 PM // 23:36
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#11
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: In da islands mon
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Last i looked this was a pvp forum and pve doesn't really count ppl have beat the game with henchies.
You can make a build without an elite but almost all will work better with one.
In the case of the build just posted u have energy burn and not surge. Surge itsn't that much better but the splash damage can be helpful.
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Mar 04, 2006, 11:53 PM // 23:53
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Academy Page
Join Date: Aug 2005
Guild: The Sith Caboose [Scab]
Profession: Mo/A
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Yanman.be
shame, diversion, shatter ench, e burn, blackout, remove hex, shatter hex, ressurect..
good dmg/support, no elite
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better efficiency if u take esurge over eburn
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Mar 04, 2006, 11:59 PM // 23:59
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#13
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Aug 2005
Profession: Mo/
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if you don't need elite, your party wants u too
ie,
sword charger
matyr something
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Mar 05, 2006, 01:46 AM // 01:46
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#14
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Academy Page
Join Date: Nov 2005
Profession: R/
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Not bad, just not optimal.
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Mar 05, 2006, 04:20 AM // 04:20
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Topeka, Kansas
Guild: Tyrian Fo Lyfe [word]
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Yanman.be
shame, diversion, shatter ench, e burn, blackout, remove hex, shatter hex, ressurect..
good dmg/support, no elite
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No energy management outside of shame, either. At any rate, you'd be much better off bringing Energy Surge over Energy Burn, as was already posted.
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Mar 05, 2006, 05:30 PM // 17:30
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Re:tired
Join Date: Nov 2005
Profession: W/
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ange1
if you don't need elite, your party wants u too
ie,
sword charger
matyr something
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Exactly. There are a few character builds that may not benefit from an elite, but when thinking on a team-wide basis this is not the case.
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Mar 05, 2006, 08:54 PM // 20:54
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#17
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über těk-nĭsh'ən
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Canada
Profession: R/
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don't know about you guys, but i always come up with a build and try to work in an elite that will complement it.
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Mar 06, 2006, 03:18 PM // 15:18
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#18
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Banned
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Belgium
Guild: [ROSE]
Profession: A/
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wheel
No energy management outside of shame, either. At any rate, you'd be much better off bringing Energy Surge over Energy Burn, as was already posted.
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you don't need energy management, have you looked at the recharge of those spells? you regen all the energy you need in the time they recharge...
also, they asked not to use an elite, and i was being a spiker with shatter ench, i don' t need e-surge...
the build will get it's job done...
also it's a remake of my me/mo martyr...that's my elite then on that build
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Mar 06, 2006, 06:06 PM // 18:06
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#19
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: www.talkingtonoobs.com
Guild: Final Dynasty
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The answer is no.
Sometimes the skills you want are more effective than any elite you might want to bring, but this is fairly rare.
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Mar 06, 2006, 08:05 PM // 20:05
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#20
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Topeka, Kansas
Guild: Tyrian Fo Lyfe [word]
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Yanman.be
you don't need energy management, have you looked at the recharge of those spells? you regen all the energy you need in the time they recharge...
also, they asked not to use an elite, and i was being a spiker with shatter ench, i don' t need e-surge...
the build will get it's job done...
also it's a remake of my me/mo martyr...that's my elite then on that build
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No. You're completely wrong. Energy Surge is inherently better than Energy Burn. The only reason that you even bring Energy Burn is when you already have an elite skill on your bar and thus can't bring Energy Surge (or you already have Energy Surge on your bar and would like to have both).
If you're going to come up with a build that defies normal convention by having no elite, make a build that can't be made better or more efficient by bringing an elite. A build that "gets its job done" is crap compared to a build that "gets the job done in the most efficient way possible." Play to win.
On energy management, you still need it. The recharges on those spells may be long, but you still need energy management because in the face of an energy denial team, you're going to need all the energy you can get. In short, your build is bad because it's inefficient and has no energy management. It can definitely benefit a lot from having an elite.
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